Director Fawaz al-Matrouk was kind enough to answer a few of my questions!
1) What was the origin story for Anwar?
There are a few ways I can answer this. Anwar came together over years of thinking through a story and a theme. The first version of it was out by the water in San Francisco. I like to sit by the water and write sometimes. I set myself the task of working through painful moments in my life, and looking at them from a science fiction lens. I grew up in a religious family, and there was a moment where I expressed doubts as a teenager, and I expected my mother to disown me. But what I saw was not anger, it was love, and a deep sadness that she might live forever in Heaven, and I would not be with her. Working through those memories, I began to imagine the reverse situation, where forever was possible on Earth. I had recently read Tim Urban’s piece on Neuralink, and was thinking through our possible future, the relationship between computers and the brain, and what does that say about the mind? The soul? What does that do to our belief systems? To our faith? So the story started there, and developed around the idea of the last biological human, who had the option to live forever on Earth, but believed in Heaven and wanted to die a human death.
The film came together because of my friend Jared Seehafer. He comes from the tech world, but knows more about films than even I do, and we had long and meaningful conversations about stories and production. He wanted to do a short together. I shared with him a list of concepts, and he pointed immediately to Anwar and said: this, this is a Fawaz picture. At that point, there was the sketch for a feature I wrote at SFFILM, and the short story I wrote at Clarion West. It seemed too ambitious for a short film, but sometimes ‘too ambitious’ is an invitation to problem solve, and here we are.
2) There are so many incredible actors in Anwar. How did you go about the casting process?
Kerry Bishé was dream casting. I wrote a personal letter that we shared through her management team, and she loved the script and came onboard. That was a special moment. In her letter back, she had the idea of adding a lullaby that would carry the emotional through-line of the mother and son. Just the day before, I had talked with my composer Leah Curtis about adding a lullaby. We were so in sync, even before we met, and throughout production.
Jay Abdo is a legendary Syrian actor. My friend Omar Al Dakheel had done a documentary about him coming to Hollywood as a refugee, and I fell in love with his energy, he exudes this child-like wonder. We connected through Omar, and he loved the script, he brought so much energy and belief into the film.
Once we had Jay onboard, we did a casting process to find our 8 and 18 year old Anwars. I was nervous about this, because the role is so specific, and we had to match the look to believe this was the same person. It worked out better than I could have imagined. Our casting director Shyree Mezick did incredible work, and found Leo Etemadi and Saif Haj. We could have built our casting around any of the three Anwars, we were fortunate to have them together.
For Bramwell, our producer Xin Li had worked with Garland Scott on a previous film, and recommended him. I met him and saw it immediately. For Ali, the father in the memories, I realized we would film on a blue screen. Ammar Haj Ahmad is an actor I saw on stage and wanted to work with for many years, so I arranged the production in London, at Broadley Studio, just so I can make it happen.
So the process was varied, but I have to say: my favourite part of directing is working with other artists, and each of these actors brought so much depth and love into the process, it was a joy.
3) There are so many fascinating interacting themes in Anwar, ethical, technological, and religious. When you were writing it, how did you approach balancing them throughout?
Thank you! I don’t think so much about balance when it comes to theme, I think of the core. Sometimes it feels like a mess because I haven’t gone deep enough, but if you go deep enough, you find the core, and everything flows from there. For me, the core of this film is about consent. Mona is faced with the question: should she force her son to do what is best for him (in her world) or accept his differing belief (even if it means death). There is a moment where she asks: “if I force him, what happens to the part of him that said no?” And that to me is the heart of the story, all the other themes come from there.
4) You managed to get such impressive performances from the actors. Did you give them more or less guidance on the path of performance?
I think my role as a director is: to inspire a team of artists to do their best work toward a common vision. I rely on them to bring their depth and experience, and I bring the core truth of the story, and make sure our choices resonate with it. So to answer your question: more guidance in one sense, more trust in the other. I love when actors (or cinematographers, production designers, composers, whomever) bring something I could not have imagined because they are having a dialogue between their own experience and the truth of the story. The moment where Ali asks Mona to make a promise came from Ammar Haj Ahmad in an improvised monologue. There was a moment that Saif Haj added after the encounter in the forest, and a moment that he saved, when we noticed a continuity error and had to problem solve it on set. There was a moment where Kerry Bishé held the integrity of the screenplay when I lost sight of it. We were in the treehouse, and I suggested a blocking for the final scenes, and she noted that we lost the Pièta I had scripted. The film opens on a Madonna and Child and ends on a Pièta. So we reworked the blocking together to find that framing. I have to include Jay Abdo and our cinematographer Chloe Weaver here too, we worked the blocking together, and Jonathan ‘Bridge’ Wilson found a way to capture the intimacy of the voices. It was just five of us in that treehouse, it was our sandbox, and one of the most special moments for me on set.
5) You shot in the Santa Cruz redwoods, which is where I live! Why choose that setting instead of something more urban? What do you think it brings to the overall story?
Oh, that’s wonderful! I love that area. I think redwood trees are spiritual. I love walking through them and noticing what comes up. Anwar is about a mother who is protecting her son from the reality of the world. So I wanted a remote location. In the short story, they live in the Mill Valley Public Library, though I never name it. But I love the interaction of knowledge and nature in that space. When we started to scout, the intention was not to shoot in the Bay Area, we were looking elsewhere. But for various reasons, we started to look in the Bay Area, and we found that beautiful treehouse, the Pinecone by O2 Treehouse. It looks perfect, suspended between redwood trees, and the treehouse image was an important one for me in the story. When they agreed to let us film, we built our locations around there.
6) I see that you were mentored at Clarion by Ted Chiang and I was wondering how that process went?
That is so cool! Ted is amazing, as you know. I reread his story The Merchant and the Alchemist’s Gate every once in a while, to remind me what is possible in storytelling, it moves me every time. Same with Story of Your Life. Eric Heisserer’s adaptation with Arrival is what inspired me to start exploring personal stories through a science fiction lens. So, in a way, it was a full circle for Anwar. Clarion West is a special place, I cannot say enough about that community and that workshop. There are milestones in your creative development, moments that feel like a before-and-after. For my directing, it was working with Nina Foch. For my screenwriting, it was Ruth Atkinson. For my storytelling, not just short fiction, but my capacity to write with curiousity and joy, it was Clarion West. There were fifteen of us over six weeks, with a different mentor each week, a legend of science fiction. Andy Duncan, Eileen Gunn, Caroline M. Yoachim and Tina Connolly, Nalo Hopkinson, Sheree Renée Thomas, and of course, Ted Chiang. I’m still in a fiction group with some of my fellow writers, Joule K. Zelman, Sagan Yee, and Stefan Slater. We continue to inspire and support each other. So much of it is about the space to experiment and fail. But since you asked about Ted, here is one takeaway: Ted has an incredible mind for theme. His notes would often be in the form of: your story has this and that theme, but it would be stronger if you choose one. I learned a lot from seeing him think through stori
7) What's next for you?
I’m in preproduction for a feature, Alien Boy, a science fiction inspired by my childhood. I moved to Canada as a refugee from the first Gulf War, and was convinced that I would be abducted by aliens. I think it was invasion trauma, displacement trauma, I missed my home and family in Kuwait so much, and I was afraid of being taken even farther away. So this film explores the theme, not through autobiography, but through the basic premise of a child refugee who becomes the target of alien abduction. Very much inspired by Steven Spielberg, in films like Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
There is also the short story version of Anwar coming out in The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction. It goes more indepth into the world: the rise of everpersons, the war that followed, the choices Mona and Ali had to make about their son. I am excited to see the story out there, and I have other stories in the same world, maybe even as a series or a novel.
I am deep in research on a horror mystery set in the Old West, based on true events, called Desert Beast. That started as a short story but is becoming a novella. I have some screenplays in the works as well. One is an adaptation of my short story On the Mysterious Events in Rosetta, a horror mystery set during Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt. Another is an exploration of the ways we censor ourselves and each other told through fictional memories of the Hays Code in Hollywood, called The Golden Age of Censorship. There are a lot more stories in the works, more than I can live to make. But I hope to make a lot of them, including the feature version of Anwar!


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